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- This is a well-established tradition. It is present in many ancient documents, internal and external to Christianity. We have already mentioned the Babylonian Talmud. But there is also trace of this tradition in Gnostic, Manichaean, and Mandaic documents. Above all, it is very present in Early Christian literature: in apocryphal, patristic, hagiographic, and liturgical documentation.
- Could you give us the names of Fathers of the Church who defended the idea that Mary of Magdala and the mother of Jesus were one and the same person?
- But no Father of the Church has ever needed to “defend” this idea! Because what is supposed to be obvious does not need to be demonstrated, or even to be formally stated…
- Could you be clearer?
- The authors I am talking about were themselves so intimately convinced that the Magdalene was the mother of Jesus whom they never tried to convince anyone! Overall, they only conveyed the tradition that they themselves had received, which was supposed to go back to the very time of Jesus.
- I see... And who are these authors?
- I give you some names: Aphrahat, Ephrem the Syrian, Epiphanius of Salamis, Theodoret, Jacob of Sarug, Romanos the Melodist... but there are others.
- None of these authors is prior to the fourth century…
- You are right. But the tradition on which they depend is much older and is found in other documents composed in the second century: the Diatessaron, for example.
- The Diatessaron?
- The Diatessaron is a harmony of the Gospels whose writing, traditionally attributed to Tatian, dates to c. 170 CE. It was for a long time the reference Gospel of Syriac–speaking churches.
- But is not Tatian considered a heretic?
- That is right. But Justin, writing c. 150 CE, seems to have known the Diatessaron. One can therefore wonder if Tatian was the true author. In any case, most of the witnesses of our tradition are considered saints.
- And if I do research on the Internet, I can quickly find confirmation of what you say?
- Quickly? As we speak today[1], I do not think so. Consider that I present to you here the conclusions of research which have never been published and which have so far been communicated to only a few researchers... Now give it a try!
[1] February 2017.
- And what do the best-known Fathers or authors like Tertullian, Jerome, or Augustine, think?
- You mean best known... in the West! Most of the Fathers of the Latin Church did not know this identification. As you can imagine, if they had known it, they would never have confused Mary of Magdala with the forgiven Sinner! But I can nevertheless tell you that Augustine knew this tradition and that some, such as Paulinus of Nola, Sedulius and Peter Chrysologus, subscribed to it completely. Note especially that the authors prior to the fourth century who, like Tertullian, clearly distinguish the two women, can be counted on the fingers of one hand! Tertullian, by the way, is also considered a heretic...
- So, it is an oriental tradition?
- Absolutely. Most handwritten witnesses are of Eastern origin. Some have been transmitted to us in Latin, some in Greek. But most have been written or translated into Syriac or Coptic, and for some, into Arabic. But need I remind you that the Gospels are also of oriental origin?
- And apart from the names you mentioned, is there also trace of this identification in other old documents?
- Certainly. Mary of Magdala is identified with the mother of Jesus in most apocryphal writings prior to the seventh century.
- But it seems incredible! How to explain the fact that no one has talked about it yet?
- Because the question never arose in these terms.
- What do you mean?
- This is due to the fact that this equivalence is rarely explicit in these documents and also to the fact that the thing is obvious only for the one who is already aware of it. It is obvious, for example, for the Gospel of Gamaliel or the Book of the Resurrection of Christ by Bartholomew the Apostle. But it is much less obvious for the Epistle of the Apostles, the Arabic Life of Jesus, or the Book of the Cock. But there are two other factors to consider.
- Which ones?
- Some of the manuscripts in which Mary of Magdala is clearly called “the mother of Jesus” were simply “corrected” by their publishers who thought the text was erroneous.
- You mean the “Monks Copyists”?
- No, no. I am talking about modern publishers!
- I find it difficult to believe you.
- It is the very truth. Critical editors of ancient texts are responsible for establishing the text that will be retained for scientific publishing and they are necessarily led to make corrections.
- Then what is abnormal about that?
- The problem is when they fail to report these corrections in the critical apparatus: this has already happened. The fact is that the “Monks Copyists” – when they understood the text they recopied, which was not always the case – have also made, often wrongly but sometimes correctly, some corrections. But the situation and the stakes were different.
- And what is the second factor?
- Most ancient writers, when referring to “Mary” without more precision, usually mean “the mother of Jesus”. However, when they relate the story of the appearance of Jesus to Mary of Magdala, these same authors do not use (or rarely) her full name: see, for example, Irenaeus of Lyon, Asterius the Sophist or Cyril of Jerusalem. For them, Mary, or Mary of Magdala, it is all the same.
- Irenaeus and Cyril do not specify which Mary it is?
- At no moment.
- Probably because it is obvious to them that it is Mary Magdalene.
- Or because it is obvious to them that it is one and the same person: Mary, mother of Jesus, called “of Magdala” who, the rest of the time, is called “Mary”, “Saint Mary”, “the Virgin Mary”, etc., in reference to the stories of Childhood, to highlight her holiness (she is the mother of Christ, even of God) or her virginity (which is disputed by some “heretics”).
- But, in John, it is well specified that it is Mary of Magdala the first beneficiary of the apparitions of the Risen One.
- Initially, in the older Syriac versions, the pericope of John 20:11–18, actually began with “Mary was standing outside the tomb weeping…”, and ended with: “Mary comes, announcing to the disciples, ‘I have seen the Lord,’ and that He had said these things to her.” It was apparently the same in the Diatessaron.
- Do you mean “Mary” was actually the mother of Jesus in John 20:1–18?
- Yes, but alias Mary of Magdala. In fact, Mary of Magdala is traditionally mentioned under this precise title – in Epiphanius of Salamis, in many Church Fathers and in various ancient sources – only when the Gospel text is expressly quoted or mentioned. Otherwise, she is most often simply called Mary, including when we refer to John 20:17. And it can be easily explained: what matters, at the time of writing all these documents, is that the Mary of whom we speak is, on the one hand, the mother of the Son of God and, on the other, that she has indeed remained a virgin. Everything else goes in the background.
- And what should be deduced from this?
- That for most early Eastern Christians, Mary of Magdala and the mother of Jesus are one and the same “Mary”…
- But how did this tradition come about?
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The Unsuspected Truth
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